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Local climate refugees: The quest for a haven from intense weather occasions

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Men and women who are pushed from their residences by wildfires, floods and hurricanes are trying to find locations significantly less ravaged by our worsening climate and climbing sea degrees. Correspondent David Pogue examines how individuals with the means are relocating to “local weather haven metropolitan areas,” and visits a single town whose mayor boosts its absence of hurricanes and wildfires.

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  1. Since the beginning of time California has been a drought prone area and a fire prone area as a consequence. There is no evidence that you are putting forth in this piece directly connecting hurricanes droughts and wildfires to man-made climate change climate.

  2. Too far north. Way too cold/too much snow! Not interested in anything to do with snow. Driving, shoveling, heating up the car before I get in. Nada!!

  3. Carbon taxes are folly. Deforestation is the problem. Reforestation or land set aside the solution. I’ve witnessed it with my own eyes.

    Born and bred in Africa I witnessed much of the climate change in Zimbabwe as forests were cut down for grain and tobacco cultivation and 80% of the land changed to grassland and semi-desert. The EU land set aside restores nature’s powers over the climate, fixing carbon dioxide and stabilising temperatures and rainfall. Why else is earth’s atmospheric carbon dioxide just 0.04% when it straddles between Venus and Mars orbits each planet with atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations in excess of 90%? Carbon dioxide is not the demon, it is plant food and plants work for us providing us with food and controlling our climate to be most favourable for life. Carbon dioxide and fossil fuels are just side actors, just like police cars and ambulances are to accident scenes. Just because police cars and ambulances are present at every accident scene does not mean that they caused them. The same with carbon dioxide and fossil fuels, they were mere agents of deforestation but deforestation was the cause of environmental changes.

    So the solution to gaining control over our environment is strengthening nature.

    The first method can be used by you personally to indirectly alter the climate for the better. Change to a keto or paleo diet and minimise your carbohydrate intake. This will not only improve your health and eliminate T2D, but more importantly it will incentivise farmers to plant trees which bind soils and provide nuts and seeds for your keto diet. If you choose a high carbohydrate diet, farmers will respond by cutting down forests to grow grain for your food. So by altering your food intake to a keto or paleo diet, you alter the food chain and thus ultimately the climate.

    See the best keto diet here https://youtu.be/gxLSxt2IKiQ

    The second (macro) solution can bring about climate improvement is as follows.

    1) Build plant factories to feed 7.8 billion people and liberate land and water for forests
    https://youtu.be/dnCQuwCtqJg
    https://youtu.be/qGyAeqdkkbw
    https://youtu.be/ESuzrY2abAw

    See examples of working plant factories
    https://youtu.be/5clOYWsNhhk
    https://youtu.be/4CMfPLEtQMQ

    2) Use cattle herds to revitalise soil
    https://youtu.be/vpTHi7O66pI

    3) Use goats to reduce fire dangers in forests
    https://youtu.be/g9yiclBCxMo

    4) Use agrivoltaics to turn deserts into meadows with solar panels
    https://youtu.be/XwFB22r9zRo
    https://youtu.be/CS3bBO05fpU

    5) Use marine cloud seeding to moisten and seed ocean air for clouds and rain
    https://youtu.be/Awf1W0-UMR4

    6) Use minerals to assist salmon populations
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haida_Salmon_Restoration_Corporation

    Be positive. Be useful. Don’t be misanthropic with the debunked carbon dioxide nonsense. Help flora and fauna control climate and don’t demonise plant food.

  4. Madison, WI is easily the worst place I have ever lived in my life. And here's why in no particular order. The property taxes are some of the worst in the country. The average 300K house will cost you an additional 6K/year in a mediocre school district. Conversely, if you're looking to rent a home, be prepared to shell out $900 for a one bedroom. You can get snow in October and as far out as Mother's Day in May, which happened last year. And the winters aren't picturesque or romantic like Colorado—they are grey and bitter cold. If you like sunshine, Madison is not the city for you. In fact, it's not really a city. It's a college town where coastal elites send their Canada Goose, white-shoe-wearing brats to school. The snobbery of this place is palpable, as you can see from the smug mayor in her interview. It's funny how there weren't any pictures of downtown Madison, which has been boarded up since Memorial Day, which had nothing to do with the pandemic. It's also funny how the mayor–who is from Los Angeles–didn't mention the myriad businesses that have left since she took office, or the recall effort against her. She also didn't mention helping protestors more than once block traffic over the summer, preventing working tax payers and resident from living their lives. The crime rate has also increased dramatically, a statistic the mayor didn't mention in the interview for some reason. It's weird how she mentions racial justice, but forgets to mention this: 

    https://madison.com/ct/news/local/govt-and-politics/enough-is-enough-madison-leaders-speak-out-after-shooting-of-11-year-old/article_7b385a79-5e5a-502c-800b-7cba3b2ac2c6.html

    While Madison and its politicians continue to market the city as this utopia–as you clearly witness in this interview–the reality is far different, especially if you don't have money. You will also need a lot of money to use Madison's regional airport. MSN is one of the most expensive airports in the country. There is no Jetblue. There is no Southwest. And the majority of the time you will pay more to use a regional jet to get to larger airports. In terms of diversity, Madison has none. Like Milwaukee, it's a heavily segregated city. Madison also floods–a lot! It's on an Isthmus and the summer of 2018 saw heavy flooding downtown. Also, the lakes are not clean. People boat on the lakes, but they are constantly closed because of algae blooms. Don't buy into it, folks. Madison is not as advertised.

  5. i am so happy this book/broadcast did not suggest folks move to Colorado! i started to watch this thinking the worst. more east and west cost genderfacation. good luck all! and thanks!

  6. So, this family moved from California to Vermont. What about their jobs? What about jobs in Madison? Just because the climate is 'good' doesn't mean there are jobs there for whoever wants to move there. Most people move because of jobs.

  7. @3:47 I think it's funny they mention heat waves, but they don't mention bitter cold and dealing with snowstorms. I've had my fill of deep snowdrifts and piercing winter winds. I'll take a 'heat wave' over cold winters any day.

  8. Southern California is a desert! "it never rains in California" – and never did – This is another example of the media lying to you!

  9. I live in Colorado. I shuddered every time someone tells me they are moving up into the foothills, ripe for the next major wildfire. No place is immune, but I'm sure not moving into the woods.

  10. Well you have climate change and you have people that don't change and yes it's hard to move when you're underage Norma stress what's going on in your environment of where you live fires or fires floods or floods but when you have hidden environmental problems that aren't address and then when they finally get address you're still in jeopardy of losing your home and then when you move you have to go and live either out of your car or hopefully someone will let you lay their head lay your head where they're living yeah how is it that all this has come to this in 2020 and now we have 20 21 and we're just disgusting about the past and is anybody ready for the climate change if you want to have change then man needs to stop changing the climate of his ignorant thinking

  11. Not to insinuate that their trauma/victimhood was not to a serious scale, but I think it lessens the impact of the term to call people who got enough from insurance payouts to buy a new home in the US, "climate refugees". Again, not saying that the safety net of house insurance that no doubt was quite expensive in California could ever be enough to replace what they lost and fix the trauma caused by the horrific fires. However, 99% of the people who made it out safely, were lucky enough to have insurance that allows them to afford a new suburban home in the US. I think I correlate "Climate Refugee" more with the people who, technically also lost their home to Climate Change related disasters, but without the infrastructure of a 21st century Federal and Private industry to take care of every need they have following losing their home.

  12. Sensing a return of population to the Great Lakes region. Worst thing you say about there is the snow. But winters are becoming milder there even. No hurricanes, earthquakes, fires, droughts, etc. And an abundance of freshwater.

  13. There is no place. Climate is a global crisis.

    Madison Wisconsin. Derecho went thru that area a few years ago. Nasty Mosquito is the state bird of Wisconsin. Midwest gets a lot of snow and really cold weather. I lived in northern Illinois, just south of Wisconsin for 20 years.

  14. I want to suggest that we spend less time imagining the worst of climate change and instead spend a lot of time imagining how to mitigate it. It's apparently easier to accept that catastrophe is coming than working on doing everything do turn around the looming desaster.

    Try it! F.e. with the book "From What if to What is"!

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